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7/25/2007 - 7:14:57 AM
Bonobos in The New Yorker, Speakeasy in the Mist
Keywords:
Bonobos: New Yorker: Apes; Chimpanzees; Hohmann, Gottfried; de Waal, Frans;
Congo; Wall Street Journal, Informed Reader, Make Love Not War, Swingers, Dr.
Susan Block. Search
Bonobo Bashing in the New Yorker
When I first fell in love with bonobos
in the early 1990’s, none of my acquaintances knew a bonobo from a bonsai
tree. Now, these amazing apes, who swing with each other as
well as from the trees, have become rather famous.
Me and My Home Gurls Chill
After GG-Rubbing
Of course, with fame comes defamation. So I wasn’t surprised
to see Ian Parker gently but firmly attempting to deflate the
bouyant, mystical aura of the bonobo in the esteemed pages of The
New Yorker, subtly deriding the work of some of the bonobos’
best friends in the human world, and hinting ominously that his article would
be debunking the central ideas of what I call “The
Bonobo Way.” These include the notions that 1) bonobos engage
in various, rather elaborate forms of pleasure sex, not just
reproductive sex, 2) they do not seem to deliberately murder
or make war on members of their own species
like common chimps and humans do, and 3) females
wield considerably more power than in other primate
species.
Parker does provide a fascinating, sometimes breathtakingly
descriptive look at the daily life of a bonobo researcher in
the Congolese Rainforest, as well as a comprehensive overview
of bonobo primatology politics. He is particularly telling
when he writes “The challenges of bonobo research call for chimpanzee
vigor, and this leads to animosities,” including, I would add, the strong,
almost vicious desire to debunk one another.
But in the end, Parker’s article debunks nothing. He
gives a few examples of bonobos committing acts of violence,
but not murder, at least not with any real evidence. No one
has ever said bonobos are angels, just that as primates,
they are relatively peaceful. They have never been observed
engaging in calculated murder or organized warfare
such as has been observed in common chimps and, of course, humans.
Parker’s piece doesn’t include anything even approaching a bonobo
war party. Interestingly, almost all of the examples of violence
mentioned in the article are perpetrated by females, buttressing the notion
that females rule, at least in certain vital areas of life
in Bonoboland.

The
Bonobo Way features Harvard Anthropologist Richard Wrangham
and a bunch of beautiful bonobos
Then there’s the sex. Most experts
agree that bonobos tend to combine food-sharing and sex. This
is one reason why Japanese Primatologist Takayoshi Kano got
to observe so much sex and sensuality among bonobos in the
wild: he fed them. Gottfried Hohmann, the primatologist “star”
of Parker’s piece who takes him into the Heart of Darkness,
doesn’t feed the bonobos. Both approaches seem to be legitimate ways to
gather information, each having its pros and cons. When you feed or “provision”
bonobos, they’re a lot more likely to hang around you, engaging in
intimate activities. When you don’t feed them, you’re not
influencing their behavior so much. But they’re also not so inclined to
get near you, let alone have sex in front of you.
They’re also more likely to catch and kill their own
food. After all, they’re hungry! Wild bonobos must be especially
famished since their rainforest home has been decimated by constant human
warfare, bushmeat poaching and the logging
industry. The stress of all this ecological devastation
and the reduction of their normal food supply, as well as constantly seeing
their family members and friends being violently slaughtered by hunters, must
have a traumatizing effect on the bonobos still left in the
jungle, just as polar bears have lately been turning to cannibalism
because longer seasons without ice keep them from getting to their
natural food. It will be illuminating to hear from Hohman when he finally publishes
papers on his recent discoveries in the wilds of war-riddled, ecologically damaged
Lui Kotal. But the observations he has made thus far do not
negate the earlier, pre-war findings of Kano and others.
By the way, I had never heard from any of the experts that
bonobos were vegetarians. Kano had reported that bonobos occasionally
eat meat of other species, like we do (actually, a lot less than we do).

Not Sex? Female
Bonobos do the Hoka-Hoka, a.k.a. GG-Rubbing
Photo: Franz Lanting, from Bonobo:
The Forgotten Ape
Hohmann’s oddest observation is about female bonobo “g-g
rubbing,” genito-genital rubbing, “hoka-hoka,”
or what Parker refers to as “frottage,” when one
female rubs her swollen vulva against the vulva of another.
Hohman and his team have observed this numerous times, as have many other primatologists.
“But does it have anything to do with sex?” Hohman asks and then
answers himself, “Probably not.”
Since when is rubbing engorged genitalia against
your partner’s engorged genitalia, often while embracing,
French-kissing and/or having what looks like an orgasm,
not “sex”? Is Hohmann limiting his definition of “sex”
only to intercourse? That is hardly appropriate for a creature
that is known for engaging in sex for pleasure (including what
we might call “bisexuality”) more than reproduction.
Hohman goes on to wonder why “the males, the physically
superior animals, do not dominate the females, the inferior animals?...It is
not only different from chimpanzees but it violates the rules of social ecology.”
Well, it doesn’t violate The Bonobo Way.
As Kano, Franz de Waal, Amy Parish and other
primatologists have observed: bonobo males appear to be more docile than chimp
males (or even than bonobo females), in part because they remain under the calming
influence of their mothers until they die. And then there’s
the fact that bonobo males get a lot of sex from those so-called “inferior”
but sexually aggressive females. That's right: Peace through pleasure. Good
sex diffuses tension. And you can’t very well fight a war while you’re
having an orgasm.
Hohmann appears to be a meticulous scientist. But no matter
how “objective” you try to be, the human personality still shines
through the researcher’s conclusions. While Kano’s image is one
of gentle collaboration, Hohmann’s is one of “chilliness,”
being “very difficult to work with.” Parker writes about an incident
where Hohman “loomed over” a local villager “wagging his finger.
‘It’s good to remind him now and then how short he is,’ Hohmann
later said, smiling.” Folks who like to throw their physical weight around
in the course of a verbal debate tend to find parallels for their own bullying
tendencies in nature.
Well, primatologists aren’t angels either.

The
Bonobo Way
Parker’s report on Hohmann’s work is important,
especially since Hohmann hasn’t published much himself lately. But the
article’s implication that anyone who is inspired by the “Make
Love Not War” chimps (both to save them from extinction, as Sally
Coxe’s Bonobo
Conservation Initiative is working hard to accomplish, and to understand
and improve our own lives, as some of us try to do by following The
Bonobo Way) is deluded is irresponsible and wrong. In classic New
Yorker style, Parker’s critiques are measured and nuanced, even
polite. His derision sneaks up on you like a quiet “chimp-bothering”
primatologist. In the end, he brings no myth-shattering news that hasn't already
been published. Though their lives in the wild are, of course, more violent
than in captivity (and with the destruction being wreaked upon their environment,
it would be hard to blame them for turning intoa new species of primate-psychopaths),
the bonobos still seem to live, relative to other wild primates, by The
Bonobo Way of Peace through Pleasure.
Nevertheless, many right-leaning bloggers, including the Wall
Street Journal’s gleeful headline ”Bonobo Apes Might
Not Be Politically Correct, After All” and Jack
Rich’s “Shades of Margaret Mead,” are already
picking up this highbrow critique of the “left-bank chimps” and
running with it, referring to it as an official indictment of sexual
freedom, women’s rights, environmentalism,
communitarianism, ethical
hedonism, the peace movement and liberal
thinking in general, not to mention the bonobos themselves.
I appreciate Parker’s in-depth reporting on the primatology
spats and evocative writing about the Congo. I know he worked hard on this piece;
he spent an hour talking to me for the sake of just one sentence. I am also
grateful for the excruciating fieldwork in which Hohmann is
engaged. All research on bonobos - whether Kano studying them as they frolicked
in his sugarcane field, De Waal reporting upon bonobo behavior in captivity,
Richard Wrangham comparing bonobos with other great
apes, Sue Savage-Rumbaugh communicating via computer
with her primate “genius” Kanzi, Hohman running
after the bonobos as they run away from him in the thick of the jungle, or Martin
Surbeck catching tree-dwelling apes’ golden
showers in a lacrosse stick-like container – are worthwhile.
One observer’s findings have not discounted the others, at least for now.
Bonobos are no angels. But as far as we know, they still deserve
the distinguished title of the Make Love Not War Chimpanzees. Hoka-Hoka!
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Re: Bonobos in The New Yorker, Speakeasy in the Mist
From: Carlo Filangieri
Fabulous, congratulations, you look great on the front cover of the New Yorker. And this hoe-man and Ivan Parker, as they say in LA "what's up with that?" Why would they write a piece like that in a world of perma-war?
Keep up the great work.
Carlo Filangieri, related to Gaetano Filangieri by DNA, hey I'm a Bonobo too :)
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Re: Bonobos in The New Yorker, Speakeasy in the Mist
From: Julie Madsen
Hi Dr. Suzy: I was checking out your blog and really thought it was terriffic, especially the part about the Bonobo monkeys. Wish I could come to your show, but I'm in Baltimore. Have a great time, and keep defending the bonobos! xo Julie
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Re: Bonobos in The New Yorker, Speakeasy in the Mist
From: Michael J
Hmmmm, ethical hedonism and the bonobo way have been an area of divine interest and participation for myself for sometime! It's great to find you! What a recipe....a great bod, wisdom, tons of life experience and endless energy coupled with a terrific unselfish attitude and intelligence....yeehaw!!! Kisses, Michael
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Re: Bonobos in The New Yorker, Speakeasy in the Mist
From: Louis Fine
Great blog! I admire your work and I have to say you are one of the sexiest doctors I have ever seen! Save the bonobos!
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Re: Bonobos in The New Yorker, Speakeasy in the Mist
From: YUMMY&JAMES
Dr. Suzy, We are such big fans of you and we watch your TV show whenever we can. We have a lot of love and respect for this lifestyle and have always been interested in it, but you are the one who made us comfortable enough to come out of our shell and live it. We would love to be at A Midsummer Nite's Wet Dream and hopefully if your not to busy we will get a chance to meet you. Much love and thanks again... YUMMY&JAMES
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Re: Bonobos in The New Yorker, Speakeasy in the Mist
From: Roberta Synal
Bravo, Dr. Suzy. I am a long-time friend of Sally Coxe & her dedication to save the Bonobos and the largest rain forest in Africa. Funny, the New Yorker is reknown to present such intellectual appraisals of what's going on the world but this guy (Ian Parker) totally missed the point.
He went in search of whether or not bonobos are "swingers," which is SO elementary in evaluating the current situation. It really doesn't matter, at this point, what bonobos do or don't, but that they are on the brink of becoming extinct ... along with Africa's largest rain forest.
It doesn't matter what anyone thinks, in terms of how bonobos may be sigfinicantly superior in inter-personal relations. That was a starting point to draw attention to this species but, in the race for greedy capitalists to ravage third world nations and destroy their natural attributes, folks need to realize that we still have much research to do before we eliminate important history.
No one has paid attention to the devastation in the Congo ... to the people, to the environment, to the wild life. FOUR million people have been killed -- more than WWII -- and the so-called global groups have yet to focus on the Congo. This is disgusting and unacceptable. Who will step up to the plate? If the bonobos could speak, they would ask for Peace. Let them be.
[And get the frigging gov't in tune to doing more than destroying the troops in Irag.]
PEACE -- Roberta
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Re: Bonobos in The New Yorker, Speakeasy in the Mist
From: Jo Jo in the UK
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Re: Bonobos in The New Yorker, Speakeasy in the Mist
From: James Godsil
Had I not fixed my mind on the prize of a neighborhood winning a Nobel Peace Prize, I would have voted for you winning this prize, for awakening the nation(and the world) To the proud meaning of the bonobos.
Chimpanzee Man. Bonobo Man.
A bonobo man is very different indeed, From a chimpanzee man.
A bonobo man sometimes Might give more weigh to ego, But increasingly often, consults eco.
That's what evolution is all about Chez bonobo man.
A chimpanzee man is ego, At best, and too often, diabolical Id.
A bonobo man's heart is for a woman, Usually Mom, but also The gal most like Mom.
A bonobo man is quite comfortable, Given his love for Mom or Mom's successor, With agape for many women, But not for the sex or power of it. Rather...the Soul of it.
A chimpanzee man somehow tilts Towards a need to own a woman, Or women.
Power more than pleasure Appears chimpanzee man's More thrilling libidinal drive.
A bonobo man's easy faith And expectation of plenty, Quite often finds him dreamy... And dreaming.
A chimpanzee man assumes scarsity, So is often found clenched teeth grasping,
Single minded, not dreamy, nor dreaming, But harsh light focused on "prey."
A chimpanzee man will, in public, Lot's of public, "pray." To a harsh deity that enjoys Blood letting sacrifice.
A bonobo man might tend his garden, Rather than pray at church. Not so much prey as growth, Growing rather than conquering.
The church of a bonobo man, In the permculture culture Is just as likely his compost pile, Or the river closest to his house.
Bonobo men pray for harvest celebrations With music and dancing for humans, Animals, plants, earth, wind, rain, sun, For Mother Nature and Father Sky.
For a God who's The Friend. Bonobo Man in Quest of Survival On the Planet Earth, in partnership with The Bonobos of the Zoos of the World And the Forests of the Congo
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Re: Bonobos in The New Yorker, Speakeasy in the Mist
From: Bonobo Bettina
Good for you, standing up to the New Yorker which is clearly off the mark on the bonobo situation. Your article has ben reprinted here: http://milwaukeerenaissance.com/ Bonobos/HomePage
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Re: Bonobos in The New Yorker, Speakeasy in the Mist
From: Jon Swift, Baltimore MD
Screw the NEW YORKER! Here's a letter I just sent them which of course they didn't publish I've been reading the NEW YORKER almost since I learned how to read anything more difficult than Dr. Seuss. I'm now canceling my subscription due to the misinformation about circumcision in Anthony Gottlieb's review of current books attacking religious belief. Gottlieb managed to pack a truly impressive amount of untruth into one short paragraph. Circumcision is no longer "universal" in "the Jewish community." I know several young Jewish mothers with perfectly healthy intact sons. (I'd bet money that Gottlieb does, too. Maybe he should have taken an informal survey about this issue among his Jewish acquaintances.) Only 15 to 20 percent, not "nearly one-third of the world's male population" have been subjected to this painful, needless mutilation. And the rate continues to decrease in the US, despite the lies peddled by Gottlieb and others. According to Gottlieb, circumcised men "may be reassured by the World Health Organization's recent announcement that it recommends male circumcision as a means of preventing the spread of AIDS." Or maybe not, since the study of South African men that was a major inspiration for this declaration was so badly flawed that it was rejected for publication by Britain's prestigious LANCET medical journal. None of the scientists currently pushing US-style circumcision in Africa suggest that circumcision is a substitute for condom use and other safe-sex practices. Instead, it's supposed to have an additional protective effect. If that's true, why do many nations where condom use is widespread, but circumcision is virtually nonexistent, have a far lower HIV infection rate than we do in the US? The scientists have failed to answer this question, just as Gottlieb failed to do his homework on an issue whose implications he apparently doesn't want to confront, the way a responsible journalist would.
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Re: Bonobos in The New Yorker, Speakeasy in the Mist
From: Dave
I just talked with Randall Susman at Stonybrook. He thinks it is quite possible that further studies of bonobos in the wild might reveal them to be much more aggressive than current research suggests. But he also finds the supposition that ecological degradation of the bonobo habitat might taint Hohmann's results very plausible. I also tried to get Gay Reinartz's opinion, but her assistant said that she will be preoccupied with a conference for the next three days. This is starting to seem like a theological debate.
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Re: Bonobos in The New Yorker, Speakeasy in the Mist
From: Janice Wilkenson
I first learned about bonobos from a Counterpunch article you wrote about your mystical encounter with a zoo bonobo named Lana. It was so inspirational, I have never forgotten it. I read the New Yorker piece when it first appeared online Sunday, and thought of you, feeling quite depressed about the whole thing. Hohmann and Parker give the impression that bonobos are really quite violent creatures, after all. But your rebuttal in Counterpunch is so clear-sighted and effective, it has restored my faith in the bonobos, and even us humans. Thank you for that, and please keep writing.
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Re: Bonobos in The New Yorker, Speakeasy in the Mist
From: Sally Coxe, The Bonobo Conservation Initiative
Thanks! Very nicely done and thanks for the positive plug! I am working on letter to editor. Bonobos forever, indeed! -S. http://www.bonobo.org
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Re: Bonobos in The New Yorker, Speakeasy in the Mist
From: Larry Winslow, San Diego, California
Sometimes even the most noble of rags reeks of journalistic slandering. The Bonobo article in the New Yorker is a prime example. Here are two guys trudging through the steamy wet jungle of the Congo. One is a well-known finger-pointing scientist telling old war stories (Gottfried Hohmann) to a well known journalist (Ian Parker) who could have found these same stories and information by entering a few keywords on the internet. How much could this story have cost the New Yorker? Plenty, I Imagine. But I ask you ladies and gentlemen: where's the beef? Where's the news? What we did find out is that jungle-living is not as romantic as it might seem, but we already knew that. So my advice is if you want to take a vacation, come to San Diego where you will also meet Lana, one of my favorite Bonobos and stay at a great hotel by the sea. We're still with you, Bonobos. Peace, my beloved swingers.
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Re: Bonobos in The New Yorker, Speakeasy in the Mist
From: Federico and Ann
Hi Susan...We're coming to your party and show next saturday..looking forward to it and to meeting you. Really enjoyed your response to the New Yorker article. You're surely educating people about these amazing creatures. See you next Sat... you're a trip!~! Federico and Ann
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Re: Bonobos in The New Yorker, Speakeasy in the Mist
From: Louis Milan
Dr. Suzy, I admire your work and I have to say you are one of the sexiest doctors I have ever seen! Viva los Bonobos!
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Re: Bonobos in The New Yorker, Speakeasy in the Mist
From: Sherry Franzen
I read your wonderfully sarcastic piece in Counterpunch, "The New War on Love-Loving Chimps; Bonobo Bashing in the New Yorker". Thank you! :-)
I wonder if you know of Dr. Frances White (University of Oregon Antrhopology Dept.). Coincidentally, I live in Eugene, Oregon, but I became aware of her after viewing NOVA's hour-long documentary about Bonobos a few months ago. Ms. White did not feed the bonobos, and the research made a point about the abundance of food playing an important role in their peaceful way, especially in comparison to the more warlike chimpanzees. There's a link to the NOVA program near the bottom of White's home page: http://www.uoregon.edu/~fwhite/
An excerpt from that page follows: Research: I am a primatologist interested in the evolution of non-human and human primate social behavior. My research has included field studies of the bonobos or pygmy chimpanzees of the Lomako Forest in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (formerly Zaďre) and wild and captive studies of lemurs in Madagascar, the Duke University Primate Center (DUPC), NC and on St. Catherine's Island, GA. Research Interests, Curriculum vitae
Publications available as PDF files
Support of conservation work of the Lomako Forest Bonobo Project is through the Northwest Primate Conservation Society Project news is available at: Lomako Forest Bonobo Project On NOVA at: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/ bonobos/about.html
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Re: Bonobos in The New Yorker, Speakeasy in the Mist
From: Denyse O'Leary
Thank you for your excellent and informative blog!
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Re: Bonobos in The New Yorker, Speakeasy in the Mist
From: Wind
Hi Dr. Suzy, I thought your review of Ian's article was pretty right on. He talked to me well over an hour too. It sounds like he missed a good article by leaving so much of our info out. Over all though I thought he was a polite chap. But the article was kind of wordy. I hope you are well and I appreciate the passion that you have for the bonobos. Peace, Wind
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Re: Bonobos in The New Yorker, Speakeasy in the Mist
From: Jack in Willow Grove
I love your HBO show. You are dynamite. Wish I was in LA so I could come to see you and your scene. But know that I support you and your bonobos :)
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Re: Bonobos in The New Yorker, Speakeasy in the Mist
From: Alexander Cockburn and Jeffrey St. Clair
Ian Parker is an English freelance writer without specialist knowledge of Pan troglodytes, though he did explore a mutant of the chimpanzee genus last year in the New Yorker with his profile of Christopher Hitchens.
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Re: Bonobos in The New Yorker, Speakeasy in the Mist
From: Magadalene White
Thank you so much for your strong, no-nonsense defense of the bonobos. It just goes to show: sometimes the New Yorker can be just as fair and balanced as Fox News!
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Re: Bonobos in The New Yorker, Speakeasy in the Mist
From: David Rosen
Susan --
Finally had a chance to read Parker's piece in the New Yorker and I must commend you for your restaint in answering him -- you surely embody "the bonobo way."
I felt he was intellectually dishonest -- he set out to prove a point (that the bonobo were not what popular sentiment, including your interpretation, makes them out to be) -- and couldn't pull it off. The scholarly research of the empirical experiences of both wild and captive bonobo kept tripping up his intent. So, I guess one has to at least give him a pat on the back for not falsifying the evidence.
What's most troubling, his intellectual dishonesty prevents him from addressing the deeper, underly issue of alternative developmental models that a non-militaristic, non-hierarchial, non-patriarchial mode of association might mean to social formation and human life.
Again, good for you.
Best, David Rosen
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Re: Bonobos in The New Yorker, Speakeasy in the Mist
From: Julien Nitzberg
I read the NY’er article. What a disappointment! The guy didn’t have anything to say and it sounds like he barely glimpsed any bonobos. Obviously the only way he could promote the article was by trying find a revisionist view of the bonobos. You could tell he had to try really hard to justify the expense of his trip to the Congo when he had no story to tell. Yuck!
Julien Nitzberg TheBeastlyBombing.com
P.S. I love your rebuttal. It makes a lot more sense than the NY’er article. Did you get any response from the NY’er writer to it?
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Re: Bonobos in The New Yorker, Speakeasy in the Mist
From: Denise Whitman
Your blog was sent to me as an antidote for that horrible New Yorker article. Thank you for writing this. Thank you for speaking bonobo truth to New Yorker power. Your blog has saved me from the depths of depression, not over the idea that the bonobos are not really "nice" which Parker vainly attempts to put forth (he has no case), but over the idea that the New Yorker has sunk to record lows with this piece. You rock, Dr. Susan. You are the Bonobo Queen!
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Re: Bonobos in The New Yorker, Speakeasy in the Mist
From: Dr. John R. Grehan
Regarding the article “Bonobo Bashing in the New Yorker” it needs to be pointed out that bonobo sexuality is in many respect quite unlike humans so the often made comparison with humans seems a bit misplaced, particularly given the fact that orangutans sexuality is more similar to humans in certain unique ways. The orangutan similarity also potentially highly significant for understanding human origins and evolution because orangutans share far more uniquely in common with humans than any other primate and this unique similarity suggests that orangutans, not chimpanzees, bonobos, or gorillas, are our nearest living relative. This relationship is also consistent with the fossil record for hominids which look more like orangutans than chimpanzees. Unfortunately no one in the popular media dares touch this subject.
Dr. John R. Grehan Director of Science and Collections Buffalo Museum of Science1020 Humboldt Parkway Buffalo, NY 14211-1193 email: jgrehan@sciencebuff.org
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Re: Bonobos in The New Yorker, Speakeasy in the Mist
From: Glenn Campbell
you are doing the GOOD work! i love dr. suzy glenn
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Re: Bonobos in The New Yorker, Speakeasy in the Mist
From: Curt Bonnem
That's awesome Suzy. Great article, too. Good for you and De Waal combating the ignorance and fear perpetuated by the right!
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Re: Bonobos in The New Yorker, Speakeasy in the Mist
From: Ayn Carrillo-Gailey
Great! I also quoted your explanation of fetishes in the current issue of Tu Ciudad, which is on newsstands, Barnes & Noble, Borders, etc this month. It is the sex issue.
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Re: Bonobos in The New Yorker, Speakeasy in the Mist
From: Cee Bee
Because of you, I have become a bonobo buff. I had never heard of them before I caught your show, and now I love bonobos! The New Yorker article was awful and depressing and just plain wrong. I just read Frans de Waal's rebuttal to Ian Parker in eSkeptic, and he quotes your blog. Good for you! De Waal's article is great, but your blog brings up all the important points that he made, and you wrote yours first. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he got some ideas from you, or at least some encouragement. You are the Bonobo Queen!
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Re: Bonobos in The New Yorker, Speakeasy in the Mist
From: Dr. Betty Dodson
Hey Suzy, I loved your response. Give 'em hell girl. BAD bettydodson.com
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Re: Bonobos in The New Yorker, Speakeasy in the Mist
From: amal jasentuliyana
a late response to your article in counterpunch about the New Yorker story about bonobos: Parker's story may not debunk existing science, but it does clarify it. His article alludes to how the left has adopted bonobo's as a poster-species, and he coins the saying "if chimps are from Hobbes, bonobos are from Rouseau", but beyond that he doesn't criticize the assumption that bonobo behavior can somehow illuminate human behavior. (Personally I think it's a tenuous connection). What he does is to point out that most exsiting bonobo research has been done either on captive animals (where incidents of violence have been observed) or under artificial circumstances with abundant food. What's missing, and what he reports on, are studies of bonobos whose behavioral ecology hasn't been manipulated by researchers.
You're right to point out the subtlety of the article. Parker begins by illustrating a bunch of do-gooders trying to raise money for "hippy chimp" conservation. He concludes by a sobering quote from a scientist that bonobo habitat will be wiped-out in 100 years. Any initial critique of the do-gooders is tempered by the fact that at least they are trying to be part of the solution.
Right wingers and left wingers are both deluded if they think that bonobo biology can justify their ideologies of human nature. Only study of humans can do that. And what's manifest is that we humans are very content to let millions of other humans, as well as our closest living primate relatives die-off by our own hands. bonobos we're not.
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Re: Bonobos in The New Yorker, Speakeasy in the Mist
From: lawrence begley, jr.
this is in response to amal jasentuliyana's comment: ian parker's new yorker article does not "clarify" anything. in fact, it gives uninformed readers the wrong impression about bonobos. also, orangutans are wonderful creatures, and very close to us, but not as close as gorillas or common chimps or bonobos. dr susan, though you come off as "wild and crazy" (in a good way), you've got your facts straight. good for you.
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Re: Bonobos in The New Yorker, Speakeasy in the Mist
From: Oscar F. Hills, M.D.
I enjoyed your bonobo piece re Parker. I'm especially glad that you are there to prevent the right from taking them from us lefties! We've had them for decades and we should keep them. There are plenty of nasty and aggressive brutes in nature for them, without the b's.
Oscar F. Hills, M.D. Associate Clinical Professor, Psychiatry Yale University School of Medicine
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